Xboxist

you are wrong,microsoft will not put blu ray to their next xbox instead they will put another format which is larger than blu ray 50gb to 500gb.this format will come out at the end of 2009,and it is cheaper than expensive blu ray.so blu ray must be dead for around 2010.so i think sony will not make mistake again for putting blu ray capable to their ps4 which makes it expensive console again.

BluRay is the natural evolution of the disk based formats. If you've played games for longer than 5 years this is obvious. So for anyone to admit that 600 MB would ok today is an idiot. That was the maximum size for PS1 games. At the same time, saying that 9GB is ok this generation is also idiotic. M$ can try to hold back developers but Sony's efforts are justified. A new format could be developed by M$ but at what cost to them? No studio would support it so it would be left to games. Good luck.

NO not at all. and why ask

MS and no one else has any need for Blu-ray. Sony has obviously sold you on the hype. Blu-ray is maybe 10% of the home disc market. Far less of the overall market. Let's say games double in size next gen, even triple. Big deal, that's what a hard drive is for. Make the hard drive a part of every machine and allow installs like they do now. With HD prices falling below $100 for a 1.5TB this year, next year will see a 2TB HD no more than $150. And that's retail. A 3.5" HD would cost MS no more than $50. You could easily have 100 games on that drive. If Sony wants to call Blu-ray a success(and they've been silent lately, no numbers at all) they need to prove it.

The disk format has to be supported by the movie/TV indsutry because that's where the majority of sales are going to come from. Is there a need to have 500GB for a movie format? In addition, just like dual layer DVDs, they are already working for mulitple layer BDs which would be able to handle increased capabilities. In my opinion, the video industry isn't going to want to support another format in the next 5 years when BD will already meet the requirements.

If Microsoft truly wants to cater to a home entertainment audience they ought to create an add-on blu-ray drive... But seems they are too embarrased to do so now... Blu-ray is the standard for the next 10 years at the very least. For a future console MS will either go fully digital or include blu-ray to cater to both games and movies. There won't be any other format. If anything it'll simply be a more advanced blu-ray drive with higher capacity and faster reading speeds. Blu-ray can currently go up to 200GBs usable on current players and they think they can push it further. If anything the only worry is that Microsoft will take a Wii strategy next time and we can only count on Sony to push the hardware generation with superior hardware providing PS3 pays off very well once it's 10 year cycle is over!

blu ray is a owned by sony they even said that blu ray is the leading format.

sony and toshiba said they have made a 500gb blu ray disk and working on 1tb disk. all the ps3 needs is a simple update to read these new disks once needed

Totally Agree with dmilitarymindb, Microsoft will not put BLURAY in there next console. BLU RAY will be dead before long because, it just doesn’t have the capacity. 50GB to 500GB with 200GB only being able to be reached in labs… We need optical disc that support at a minimum 1TB and even that might be a bit low. Remember Sony pushed the BLURAY format because they wanted the royalties for being the last optical movie format. If they had waited any longer to push BLURAY all the new formats (HVD about 4TB, Protein-Coated Disc up to 50TB) coming out would have surely beat it hands down. MS would be very stupid to support BLURAY they are doing right by starting a digital media hub with 360, this will care over to the next Xbox and allow them to go with a cheaper bigger capacity format for the next Xbox even if the movie industry isn’t on board.

Sony lost $5 billion because of blu-ray inclusion into PS3. For what??? What are the royalties in selling 9 million movie discs in 3 months? That is their return on investment???

MS will include Red laser HD DVD burner (DVD Download) drive. DVDs will be sold at retail with extra "HD DVD layer". Downloads of HD material can then be burned to disc for playback in DVD players.

Here are the facts.

Implementing Blu-Ray in Xbox 360 requires a $60 royalty payment to BDA on top of hardware drive cost and also requires running BD-Java, which is banned on all Microsoft platforms. You will not see Blu-Ray playback support in any of Microsoft's platforms(Windows and Xbox) because of this MS corporate ban on Java.

On the other hand, Microsoft has royalty-free access to HD-DVD format thanks to its cross-license with Toshiba, and HD-DVD-TL-51 has an added benefit of being piracy proof(No HD-DVD-TL-51 burner exists).

The conclusion is that you will see Microsoft putting in a proprietary drive based on HD-DVD($0 royalty) or some other format.

No.

Blu-ray is over-rated & unnecessary.

I watch movies for the movie, not for spotting the stitch pattern on an actor's jacket.

I do like HD audio but that requires an expesive audio set-up.

Nevertheless you don't need Blu-ray to get HD or HD audio.

I think it's clear that for movies Blu-ray stands no hope of replacing DVD and will merely be a short-lived niche product.
Great if you accept that but anyone 'investing' in it as the next DVD is being conned or kidding themselves.

For games?

Compression & HDD use make it unnecessary.
Look at Res Evil 5.
6gb on Xbox & 13gb on PS3 (and many reports say the Xbox version is the better one).

A couple of reliable 8.5gb DVD9s is all that's needed.

I do expect the next Xbox to go for a 51gb disk but it'll be a tech Microsoft know and part own.
The 51gb TL HD DVD disk.
Still being developed by the DVD Forum (as minutes from them show).

It makes sense & will give Microsoft the big disk they may need later that is relatively secure (you try finding the blank media!) and most importanty not going to give Sony or any of the BDA a dime.

Those stating that the nextgem systems will have purely digital media need to consider that by doing so, the manufacturer cuts out all countries that do not have extensive cable systems or any country that meters downloads.

A 40GB game cannot be digitally downloaded in many countries and many of those countries do not yet have a complete plan for infrastructure roll outs that would enable the level of broadband access necessary for that sort of digital transfer to not be tedious in the extreme.

LOL ! Are you guys for real ? Short lifespan for BD because 1TB discs are a necessity but in the interim, i can live with a 9GB disc ?

HDD's increasing in capacity and changing their physical and data structures when u look at SSD's is acceptable and can be used for games but the natural progression of disc's to a scratch resistant high capacity disc with the same physical characteristics is unacceptable ? OH, i hear you say, because it's licensed by Sony !

Every single one of you whining now were proclaiming the next optical disc format as HD DVD a few years ago...and since BD won, MS got you all singing to the tune of DL's...there's a market for it...for sure, but a bigger market for HIGH CAPACITY OPTICAL DISCS...HD Movies, 3D Movies, PS3 Games, PC Games, Storing all my music onto a single disc, all my photo's of family over the years....damn, just about my entire current PC HDD can fit onto a 500GB BD disc, that is great!

Anyways, I'll enjoy knowing you are suffering while watching the success of Blu-Ray and PS3 over the next couple of years...